Debate #2

This was a very good debate.  Good volume and generally good POI's.  All speakers spoke confidently and interacted well. 

Things to improve:

Opening speakers should spend more time creatively before they dive into their arguments.  Set the table.  Tell a story. In this debate you could have painted a picture of this student who may or may not be a model.

POI's are good, but if they aren't making sense MOVE ON.  Don't try and figure out who means what.  If the team the proposes the POI doesn't make sense, you can state that and the judges may agree and deduct points.  If you make a POI, keep it simple and make sure it is clear.  KH's POI about extra points for council members added was good, and could have been carried further.  It was the only clear one.

A little bit more sign-posting.  And use your time wisely.  MK was excellent in his rebuttals, but had plenty of time to add more to an argument.  In most cases a speaker should not only rebutt, but also elaborate at least one argument.

Summarize.  YH did an excellent job of that before he sat down. He realized he still had time and made use of it. 

Some of the best arguments came in Luke's final speech.  I think the OPP would have one if all speakers had referenced his argument about the nature of the rules, and whether or not all of them are good rules.  The OPP didn't do a good enough job as a team to raise questions about the KMLA environment and how "some rules are made to be broken." 

Generally, it was a very very close debate, and both sides did good things and also missed some opportunities.  The Gov was a bit clearer and easier to follow, and they managed their time just a bit better.  The OPP got caught in POI's a little, and started getting circular in their arguments and rebuttals to rebuttals to rebuttals.  There was also too much Korean and Korean words used in the debate that I did not understand.  Some of this didn't seem to apply to the debate.

THB: Student council members should be dismissed if they receive 25 penalty points.
Date: May 1st		GOVERNMENT - Winner		OPPOSITION
Introduction	Pts	Hyungwoo		Keunhyung
Delivery	9.0 /10	Good volume and flow, but spend more time with a creative intro that sets the table. You dove in to your arguments a bit too quickly, speaking a bit too quickly.  Slow down and you will get closer to 5:00 for time.	9.1 /10	Great delivery. Some very good things at work.  But a bit short. That's the only weakness.  Why only two arguments?  If your team has more, set the table and define the roles of the other speakers. Very good signposting and emotion/volume.  Like the Gov PM, we need a more creative preamble.  Describe to us this student who you are defending.  Tell us a story. TOO MUCH KOREAN during recess.
Arguments	9.2 /10	1.Self control represented in penalty points.  25 points is a lot.  These students must do work that represents students. 2. Students are representatives of the school. If the outside world sees this, it looks bad for our image.  3.  A warning to all students. Students will be more conscious of the points if they see student council punished.   Nice conclusion,decent sign posting.  Maybe too fast with delivery, and could spend more time with creative preamble.  Time: 4:37	8.9 /10	Penalty points defined.  Good.  Designed to control students, and protect rights and benefits. Two arguments: 1.  Penalty points don't represent the student. They are designed to control the students.  "For example, I ate chicken" - good example! Nice personal twist.  No POI from Gov??? Missed chance. 2.  Students council is called students union in English.  Students for students.  Teachers don't have the right to interfere.  Students should be the ones dismissing.  Excellent emotion and expounding on details.  Good signposting.   Only two arguments?  Either this is inaccurate as a result of poor sign posting, or you guys need more. Time: 3:11
Notes	Tot 18.2 /20		Tot 18.0 /20
Rebuttal One	Pts	(OPP) Paul	Pts	(GOV) Minkyu
Delivery	9.0 /10	Good volume and some good beginnings, but distracted by POI.  Stay focused and make sure you sign post and remain clear. Spoke longer than GOV deputy BUT too much of that is unclear deliberation about POI.	9.2 /10	Good POI and good rebuttals. But need some arguments.  It seems you just rebutted.  You have plenty of time to do more, so stay up there and add more to what the PM said.
Arguments	9.0 /10	Rebuttals: Penalty points and chicken - reflective of personality - BUT if you think this way - consider the cafeteria line and using time efficiently.  Have you never eaten food in your room that is illegal?  You have.  We all do.  It is not related to self control.  POI - Hyungwoo - a bit unclear - self control related to time management.  Clarify the clarification? Unclear on the unclear.  (You guys should move on). Argument: 1. Personality is not reflected in penalty points.  Students are forced into desperate means because they have no time. 2.  Who can dismiss who?  (unclear, need more). Rebuttal to rebuttal: Listing of different kinds of penalties - do these penalties reflect personality?  Poor examples - many times for small incidents or a few times for big penalties?  (What is the logic here? Be more clear). 7:35	8.9 /10	Rebuttal of claims and definitions: Penalty points NOT only given by teachers. Also by other students.  POI - Keung hyung - is it really by students? Teachers supervise. Reply: Students have more control, so it is mostly students.  SO - penalty points were not described accurately.   Personality - self control is reflected in personality and penalty points. In the chicken example, we can can see that KH likes to break rules.  His law abiding spirit is weak.  We need this in Student council. Teachers have no right to change it?  But the council is made by students. 4:04 No arguments?  Just rebuttals?  Should elaborate on at least one argument.
Notes	Tot 18 /20		Tot 18.1 /20
Conclusion	Pts	(GOV) Yoonhong	Pts	(OPP) Luke
Delivery	9.2 /10	Very clear, and well managed.  Generally well structured.  Good time management.	9.3 /10	Good. When clear very clear, but some meanderings into confusion.  Stay focused and organized.  Manage time more effectively, don't linger on confusing POI.
Arguments	9.2 /10	Good intro and description of your duties.   Rebuttal to "penalty points result of time pressures etc., not personality."  True, but all students have these problems, but not all students have many penalties. (Should say "status quo" does not have that many points - it is not that common.)  It isn't easy to have that many points. POI - KH - is it right that student council gets an extra point?  (Good! But did you guys use this to its full potential?) Nice reply - student council agree to be models, so they should have extra penalty.  Rebuttal - alternate punishments - Paul - stand up! - POI - I never said that.  I said being a model is not decided by points - but also by grades and achievment. But what is the important trait of a leader?  To set an example and lead as a model student. Can we admire so many penalty points?  Yes, good grades etc. are impressive, but we need more. Summarize of argmuments -  We believe members should be dismissed because they will harm our image.   They will also set a warning for other students - symbols of penalty points. 6:11	9.2 /10	Rebuttals: Meanings of Korean names for these organizations - the real meanings.  (I'm unclear - how does this apply?) Personality and leadership - related - but I don't think so.  HW - POI - Stand up! - are you sure it is not related? What about a student who has this but not this? Luke - students have diverse personality.  We can't measure it or judge it with points. Self control - is not personality.  POI - MK - law abiding?  Dismissed. Dangerous logic - many laws are passed, but do they represent society accurately?  No. (Are you saying some rules are made to be broken?) Good argument, OPP could have done more here using this argument from the start.  A bit late/underdeveloped. It can't be a warning to other students because - (????? Not clear). Model Students are school's image - yes - but what is school image?  We should try to be happy and focus on that. Not following rules too strictly.   8:01
Notes	Tot 18.4 /20		Tot 18.5 /20